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Army 50, EMU 25: how low can you go?

October 12, 2013

It looks like EMU fans will have the chance to find out this fall. Surely the Eagles reached a new low in their 50-25 loss to a not-very-good Army team today.

Yes, you read that right. Let’s put that score in perspective.

The 50 points were the most in a game for Army this fall. Their previous high 35 against Louisiana Tech. Their high before that was just 28, against Morgan State. That’s the Morgan State Bears, a 1-5 FCS team. In fact, the last time the Black Knights topped the half-century mark against an FBS team was 1999, when they edged out Louisville, 59-52, but 14 of their points came in overtime. The last time they scored 50+ points against an FBS team in regulation was more than 20 years ago.1

Against FBS opponents, the Eagles have now been outscored 216-76 so far this fall. That’s an average loss of 43-15.

That’s an offensive failure. It’s a defensive failure. It’s a failure all around.

How thoroughly did Army dominate EMU today?

EMU’s offense gained 417 yards on 61 plays, for an average of 6.8 yards per play. Not bad…if you ignore the two turnovers.

The Black Knights happened to also run 61 plays, gaining 140 yards more than the Eagles, for an average of more than nine yards per play. EMU was absolutely pwned by Army’s running game. Trenton Turrentine carried 8 times for 92 yards and a touchdown, an average of 11.5 yards per carry, while Terry Baggett went 18 times for an astounding 304 yards (yes, that’s nearly 17 yards per carry) and four touchdowns.

So here we are again. Another embarrassing loss. Another losing season all-but-assured. Scouring the rest of the season to try to spot one or two winnable games,2 in the hopes of staying out of the MAC West cellar.

And here we are again, waiting for word — any word — from the athletic director. Will Ron English be gone in two weeks when that losing season goes from all-but-assured to assured? Will he finish out the season? Or will he be gone this week? I think we can all stop pretending that there’s even the slightest chance of him getting an extension.

I leave you with this final thought:

  1. The Black Knights beat Temple 56-21 on October 9, 1993. []
  2. Western Michigan? Maybe Central Michigan, though even that might be a stretch. Probably none of the others. []
18 Comments leave one →
  1. New kids on the block permalink
    October 12, 2013 4:54 pm

    I can not talk about how disappointed in the EMU staff for putting the same pair of safeties as starters after watching them other games.. You mean to tell me that the other DB’s are worse then what we have starting.. English has to go, players has given up on him and his lies that he use to encourage them play.. I believed English when he said this 2013 team will be good and ready to play.. I question if he know talents or can prepare players for games.. I am in class with a couple of the players and you can tell they are not wanting to play each week and these two guys are starters on defense.. They said English make calls at the last seconds and their coverage in the secondary sucks big time and they don’t know why they don’t try other kids during the game..

    • Ralph Pasola permalink
      October 12, 2013 6:12 pm

      So what you are saying is that we may have good players but the staff does not know what they are doing? Or is it just plain bad recruiting? What’s the way out of this mess?

  2. Ralph Pasola permalink
    October 12, 2013 6:08 pm

    The whole staff should do the limbo rock, “how low can you Go!!”

  3. New kids on the block permalink
    October 12, 2013 6:49 pm

    I think we have the talent but like what others has said on the emu board, the talent is not being prepared and not given the chances to play.. Why is Brumfield not playing more then when the game is over? Why do we keep putting the same db’s out there each week? Where is the change up.. The current guys we have out there are missing tackles and and looks like they are afraid to hit someone..

    We don’t really know what we have on the bench because English keep putting the same kids out there and play them the whole game..it is now time to give the other kids a chances to play and get ready for next year.. The seniors who are playing had their chance and it TE for the underclass men to see the field..

    • cmadler permalink*
      October 13, 2013 9:00 am

      A perfect example is Bronson Hill coming off the bench and having that incredible game against Toledo last year. After the game English said something like “We knew what he was capable of, because we’ve been watching him do that in practice.” If you knew he was capable of that, why did you keep him on the bench so long?

  4. Kenneth Barna permalink
    October 13, 2013 9:29 am

    Dear cmadler, and New kids on the block,
    I agree with everything you have said. I have been especially critical of the defensive backs not turning around to look for the ball. I think the way personnel are used is the very essence of the English philosophy of not paying to win, but playing not to lose. Which you cmadler, said weeks ago.

  5. prich permalink
    October 13, 2013 12:27 pm

    I listened to Ron English’s comments after this ARMY game. He kind of admitted his athletes weren’t prepared well for the game. His tone has become one of failure. Let’s face it, he doesn’t have the answers and he never did. Maybe he has finally resigned to the fact that he has no more excuses. How many times can we hear ‘we have a young team’ or ‘we are getting better’? The proof in his failed philosophy racking up an 11-43 overall record (.204 winning pct).

    I was one who wanted the previous coach to go and thought at the time English was a decent hire, but he has failed this team, students, fans, booster, alum, and the community.
    I initially bought into his ‘Embrace the Process’ and that it takes time. I believe the university has also failed us for not letting him go after the 2012 season. It wasn’t going to get any better and they let him stay on another year. I believed the university was serious about turning this program around. And now here we are, another year behind. The question is this: Will the AD make the right decision and let him go immediately? English doesn’t deserve to be here another week. This team he built is so bad. Let’s face it, he and his staff are terrible evaluators of talent and the talent they do have they are not “coached up” to at the very minimum play competitive football against other non-AQ conference teams.

    I finally decided to write my correspondence to AD Lykes to let her know where I stand as a fan, season ticket holder, alum, and booster. It is time for others to respectfully speak up and let the administration know this cannot continue another week. I don’t expect a miracle for the next 6 games if he should be let go, but maybe the team morale will pick up under new interim leadership. At least let the athletes try to have fun out there with what is left in 2013. In the mean time, the university can start a search immediately for a proven winning coach for 2014.

  6. New kids on the block permalink
    October 13, 2013 3:07 pm

    The blame does not fall on English now, but on the new AD and school president to fired English tomorrow. English is not man enough to resign to from the position but he would rather collect a free check each week.. Ms. AD do your freaking job and can this loser so the kids can move forward. You have seen what we have seen for 5 years talk and not change.. Why play the same kids, give other players a chance, who know you may find another good player who you had on the bench..

    You killed the team moral by bringing in all the transfers and playing them over your HS recruits because you believed they were better. Well you are wrong and now no one trust you as knowing what you are doing..

    English be a man and resign from this team.. You have lost this team and the main reasos that we are this bad..many of your coaches left you and you should be next to go…

    Who will you blame this week?

  7. Ralph Pasola permalink
    October 13, 2013 4:41 pm

    You will get a very terse but mannerly response from Lyke. Thanks for the email, thanks for your concern, thanks for being loyal.

    English will finish the season and then be gone. That’s the smoothist transition that could be hoped for. The blame should be laid at the feet of Regent Jim Stapleton, Roy Wilbanks, Lloyd Carr and AD Craig.

  8. mwold permalink
    October 13, 2013 8:32 pm

    After seeing the job Dan Enos has done at Central Michigan, I like going with a Michigan State Assistant.

  9. prich permalink
    October 13, 2013 9:53 pm

    Unfortunately the prior AD had his foot out the door last year knowing he was leaving, so he wasn’t going to make the decision to fire English.

    Other schools have fired their coaches mid-season this year: USC, UCONN, and yes our fellow brothers of the MAC Miami Ohio who fired Don Treadwell last week after going 8-21 in 2-1/2 seasons as their head coach. At least Miami Ohio’s AD who has had the job for 9 months had the guts to pull the trigger knowing it wasn’t going to happen. EMU has waited 4-1/2 seasons with no end in sight. This is so disrespectful to those that have supported the program all of these years. Losing apparently is okay in Ypsi!

    • Was a 100% EMU Fan permalink
      October 14, 2013 3:33 am

      Well said!!!!!!!!

      English time, lies, non-leadership has framed this season…

  10. grady permalink
    October 14, 2013 10:01 am

    What is wrong with asking Lyke to make an announcement of ANY kind? The silence is deafening and if she says “we will review the coaching situation at the end of the season” it will at least shut us up for a while … I don’t understand the silence

    • cmadler permalink*
      October 14, 2013 10:05 am

      I agree entirely. It’s time—past time—for Ms. Lyke to make a statement, even something as simple as an affirmation that English will coach through the end of the year.

  11. Ken permalink
    October 14, 2013 10:03 am

    I don’t really know what to add besides what’s already been said. Since the season is pretty much a disaster anyway, they might as well just let him go. Maybe we’ve got a better head coach in the form of Stan Parrish. I wont blame the lack of talent on the team though because from where I stand, the team actually looks pretty good. You’ve got three decent running backs. An okay quaterback and some good receivers. Sadly they are shoehorned by predictable play calling. It’s one thing to be predictable if your team is effective at doing that but this team is not. It also seems like there is a lack of discipline on the team as they seem to take very untimely penalties…that also falls on coaching. It would be a shame for EMU to have wasted that money spent on improving facilities.

  12. Grady permalink
    October 14, 2013 10:13 am

    Eagle Totem – I did not mean to include an entire email thread in my last post – go ahead and delete it — its just too long and rambling – I cant find where to delete myself

    • cmadler permalink*
      October 14, 2013 12:15 pm

      It’s gone.

  13. George Camarra permalink
    October 14, 2013 4:17 pm

    I was at the army game last saturday, and i can honestly say that the defensive effort was as bad as any I have ever witnessed. I did not witness a poor offensive performance. the offense seems to have talent at the talent positions. i also felt that the calls were very good by the offensive co-ordinator. That being said I do not believe that they will win 1 more game the rest of the season. I graduated from Eastern over 40 years ago. my friends who live in Michigan often told me that they do not go to the games because” it is not worth the gas!” I was always defending going to the games because it was their school. I was wrong. As an alum of EMU I definitely want to hear that we will have a new coach before the end of this season. Coach English has had 5 years to improve our football program. He has failed miserably. He can’t fire the defensive co-ordinator this year!!!

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